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	<title>Comments on: When Will Zillow Stop Being Quoted as a Reliable Source of Property Values?</title>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Purdum</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jennifer Purdum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find this interesting.  Someone who is a great writer, but involved in both the mortgage industry AND the real estate industry, is trying to call Zillow&#039;s bluff.  I think you should give the general public a little more credibility...we all know that you need to look at multiple sources when evaluating a home&#039;s value and the process of buying a home is a very important decision for most.  The problem is, the general public cannot trust many realtors (who are making commissions on our sales) OR mortgage banks...leaving us with the internet to do our own research from home.  I think the end result of all the missteps that the mortgage industry has taken over time, has brought the general public to a place where they are smart enough to DO their own research.  Zillow is a great springboard to start with -- a tool to look at regarding your home and neighborhood value, knowing that it is not on point to the dollar, but in general, ebbs and flows with the economy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this interesting.  Someone who is a great writer, but involved in both the mortgage industry AND the real estate industry, is trying to call Zillow&#8217;s bluff.  I think you should give the general public a little more credibility&#8230;we all know that you need to look at multiple sources when evaluating a home&#8217;s value and the process of buying a home is a very important decision for most.  The problem is, the general public cannot trust many realtors (who are making commissions on our sales) OR mortgage banks&#8230;leaving us with the internet to do our own research from home.  I think the end result of all the missteps that the mortgage industry has taken over time, has brought the general public to a place where they are smart enough to DO their own research.  Zillow is a great springboard to start with &#8212; a tool to look at regarding your home and neighborhood value, knowing that it is not on point to the dollar, but in general, ebbs and flows with the economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 03:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Sara,

Appreciate the response, and also the backup information on Zillow&#039;s methodology.

My primary gripe with the concept of automated valuation algorithms is the perception they create that such analysis is useful on a house-by house basis. It&#039;s not.

Data and AVM-type analysis is very helpful when it comes to examining broad trends, and even localized trends when the analysis is done correctly. But when you attached a value to a single home that&#039;s generated automatically, it becomes misleading.

Having worked in the industry, specifically running a company where we sell property valuation analysis, I am acutely aware of the shortcomings of such techniques on a home-by home basis. Unfortunately, the general homebuying public is not.

I appreciate that Zillow has made the effort to exhibit transparency and explain your algorithms, but most homeowners understand the concept of how a trustee sale works and how that price may be different than a market sale no better than they understand the intricacies of a mortgage backed security. I believe strongly that to claim any ability, however transparent, to value a single home with a computer model is disingenuous.

As I said, I do appreciate your firm&#039;s attempt to be self-critical and open about the shortcomings of the Zestimate, but it has become a bit of a phenomenon, and as such has gained credibility I do not believe is warranted.

Thank you again for the explanation, my goal is to educate home buyers, nothing more, nothing less.

Andrew]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sara,</p>
<p>Appreciate the response, and also the backup information on Zillow&#8217;s methodology.</p>
<p>My primary gripe with the concept of automated valuation algorithms is the perception they create that such analysis is useful on a house-by house basis. It&#8217;s not.</p>
<p>Data and AVM-type analysis is very helpful when it comes to examining broad trends, and even localized trends when the analysis is done correctly. But when you attached a value to a single home that&#8217;s generated automatically, it becomes misleading.</p>
<p>Having worked in the industry, specifically running a company where we sell property valuation analysis, I am acutely aware of the shortcomings of such techniques on a home-by home basis. Unfortunately, the general homebuying public is not.</p>
<p>I appreciate that Zillow has made the effort to exhibit transparency and explain your algorithms, but most homeowners understand the concept of how a trustee sale works and how that price may be different than a market sale no better than they understand the intricacies of a mortgage backed security. I believe strongly that to claim any ability, however transparent, to value a single home with a computer model is disingenuous.</p>
<p>As I said, I do appreciate your firm&#8217;s attempt to be self-critical and open about the shortcomings of the Zestimate, but it has become a bit of a phenomenon, and as such has gained credibility I do not believe is warranted.</p>
<p>Thank you again for the explanation, my goal is to educate home buyers, nothing more, nothing less.</p>
<p>Andrew</p>
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		<title>By: Sara Bonert</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sara Bonert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Andrew- Sara from Zillow here.  Just wanted to make a quick note about the property you show here, 32 Read Street (http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/32-Read-St-New-Haven-CT-06511/57965359_zpid/).

If you scroll to the bottom on the main property page, near where you see the Zestimate, you&#039;ll see the $20,000 sold price.  This is information we get from public records.  You&#039;re right it is probably some sort of arm&#039;s lentgh transaction or trustee sale.

However, also please note the * that is by the number and the text below it that says &quot;* Transaction not included in Zestimate.&quot;.  When we know the transaction is out of the ordinary, like this obviously was, we do not include it in the Zestimate calculations and we designate that fact on the site.

Final point, Zillow is one of the only automated valuation sites that actually publishes our accuracy numbers, down to the county level.  Here are the number for CT - http://www.zillow.com/howto/DataCoverageZestimateAccuracyCT.htm .

Hope that helps!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Andrew- Sara from Zillow here.  Just wanted to make a quick note about the property you show here, 32 Read Street (<a href="http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/32-Read-St-New-Haven-CT-06511/57965359_zpid/" rel="nofollow">http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/32-Read-St-New-Haven-CT-06511/57965359_zpid/</a>).</p>
<p>If you scroll to the bottom on the main property page, near where you see the Zestimate, you&#8217;ll see the $20,000 sold price.  This is information we get from public records.  You&#8217;re right it is probably some sort of arm&#8217;s lentgh transaction or trustee sale.</p>
<p>However, also please note the * that is by the number and the text below it that says &#8220;* Transaction not included in Zestimate.&#8221;.  When we know the transaction is out of the ordinary, like this obviously was, we do not include it in the Zestimate calculations and we designate that fact on the site.</p>
<p>Final point, Zillow is one of the only automated valuation sites that actually publishes our accuracy numbers, down to the county level.  Here are the number for CT &#8211; <a href="http://www.zillow.com/howto/DataCoverageZestimateAccuracyCT.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.zillow.com/howto/DataCoverageZestimateAccuracyCT.htm</a> .</p>
<p>Hope that helps!</p>
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		<title>By: Commercial Property</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Commercial Property]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 06:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The following example shows a Text control that gets its data from an HSlider control&#039;s value property. &lt;a href=&quot;http://realestate.blogtells.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Commercial Property&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following example shows a Text control that gets its data from an HSlider control&#8217;s value property. <a href="http://realestate.blogtells.com/" rel="nofollow">Commercial Property</a></p>
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